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August 05, 2005

Uncivil Rites for Unborn Fetuses

In response to Bigwig's post below...

[Don't read if Bigwig made you angry, 'cuz this just might make you stroke out.]

[[I'm just trying to help, Bigwig. Can't stand to see you get flamed all alone.]]

I found Ali's place the other day after perusing the links at Mithras, where he did a truly half assed take down of center and center right bloggers, in a "righty wingnut philology" or something along those lines.

Anyhow, Ali's place was one of Mithras' featured links, along with Abortion Clinic Days. I'm not shocked that you found it disturbing. It's worse than the NY Times & NuLeft's description of unborn children as "unborn fetuses," which I see as the rhetorical next step in the public discourse towards a legitimization of infanticide. Er, post-natal abortion, right Ms. Aron? But back to Ali...

Who the f@@@ would write about working at an abortion clinic? I guess to some, mashing up the unborn is a heroic act, akin to slaying Medusa. I was just appalled, however. If abortion is, as most politicians assert, not a good thing, then why would anybody be so glib and cheery about working at an abortion clinic? The only way that is remotely logical, is if the abortion facilitators see their work as an unalloyed good.

That is terrifying to me.

Once my wife and I had our kid, and I saw the monthly (or every six weeks, I forget) sonograms, I realized that abortion wasn't just wrong, there was something inhuman about it. Our boy was recognizable as something human, as a person, from maybe 8 to 10 weeks onward. When I thought about it, what gives me the authority to be the line drawer here, to take an innocent life that has done me no harm, an innocent life that relies on me and my wife for it's sustenance? I have stopped thinking that we can or should come to a societal truce on this issue. If abortion is a wrong, and a grievous one, as I am coming to believe that it is under most circumstances (convenience especially), then how could I support something that is only half-wrong?

I have also come to recoil at the embryonic stem cell controversy for the same reason: "it's only a little abortion." The mere fact that we can talk about putting those tiny seeds of human beings into a blender to sort out the "useful" bits, is so far beyond the pale to me, that I cannot talk about it intelligibly. Soylent Green, anybody? Sure, maybe it will make us live forever. But has it ever occurred to anybody, maybe we aren't meant to live forever? If you are of the mindset that human life has no divine spark, no intrinsic meaning, you could so conclude. If you believe human life has some intrinsic value and purpose, you must eventually come to the opposite conclusion.

When I read the logically incoherent dribble at Abortion Clinic Days, I just about snapped my timing belt. If this is the best they can offer, goofy aphorisms and unctuous phony "spirituality," well then it's understandable that John Roberts or any conservative leaning judge scares the crap out of them. You kick the abortion issue back to the public, and the public is going to be inclined to ban it in most places, under many or most circumstances. If not now, then soon. Yes, I agree with Bigwig's 3D sonogram argument.

I think this change is coming about because sonograms and the rapid pace of inhumane cloning science, once people really stop to think about it, will cause an enormous backlash against tampering with human life. We may lose the death penalty in the process, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.

Well, that's if any minds are open to discussion on the issue. I don't see why they wouldn't be, my mind has been partially changed about the death penalty as a result of my experiences on capital appellate cases.

Flame away, kids.

Posted by Blackavar at August 5, 2005 04:10 PM | TrackBack
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I'm not here to flame you, I'm here to tell you I agree. To me, abortion has always been and always will be the murder of an innocent child. I find it amusing/appalling that people who will defend an womans right to kill her child will also defend a convicted felon against the death penalty.

As for Ali's blog, would she be as happy if someone had a blog describing how happy and fulfilled they were to officiate when convicted felons are put to death in Texas? I'll bet you dollars for donuts that the yelling and screaming coming from the left would be deafening.

Posted by: El-ahrairah at August 7, 2005 01:26 PM

The post was written by a moral retard, a person incapable of making moral distinctions.

Posted by: Juan Gewanfri at August 7, 2005 10:15 PM


Why thank you, sir. I wet my pants in fear of your brilliant mind just now upon reading your statement. The strength of the logic in your argument has caused something akin to sunburn on my nether regions.

You are right, I was wrong. I have completely changed my mind on this issue.

No beliefs, no argument, no discourse, can stand in the face of such a well reasoned, trenchant dialectic.

I will look forward to your future postings on this issue so that you might enlighten me further.


Ps.: I think the term you were looking for was “people with mental disabilities.” The use of “retard” as a noun is generally thought by people with disabilities to be juvenile, condescending, and highly offensive, as it combines both an insult and an overbroad (i.e. inaccurate) and dehumanizing dismissal of people with mental disabilities and impairments. I should have thought that a morally discerning person, like you clearly are, would have avoided the use of such a slur. But then, you and Professor Singer, another one of my chicken loving betters, might be in agreement that the subhumans among us, like fetuses and people with disabilities, ought to be eliminated at our convenience, and in fact have less right to live than said chicken. Once again, I strut my inner moral deficiency, and await with baited breath the illumination and the simplifying effect you will shed on this issue.

Posted by: Blackavar at August 8, 2005 10:31 AM

Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy.  If embryonic stem cell harvesting is "a little abortion", what's pregnant?  The Petri dish?

Posted by: Engineer-Poet at August 10, 2005 05:25 PM
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