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March 22, 2005

Hmmm

Peggy Noonan:

On the other side of this debate, one would assume there is an equally well organized and passionate group of organizations deeply committed to removing Terri Schiavo's feeding tube. But that's not true. There's just about no one on the other side. Or rather there is one person, a disaffected husband who insists Terri once told him she didn't want to be kept alive by extraordinary measures.

He has fought the battle to kill her with a determination that at this point seems not single-minded or passionate but strange. His former wife's parents and family are eager to care for her and do care for her, every day. He doesn't have to do a thing. His wife is not kept alive by extraordinary measures--she breathes on her own, is not on a respirator. All she needs to continue existing--and to continue being alive so that life can produce whatever miracle it may produce--is a feeding tube.

CodeBlueBlog:

Certainly IN A CHILD (which Schiavo, obviously was not), the combination of posterior rib fractures, vertebral compression fractures, and distal femoral periosteal elevation is ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY DIAGNOSTIC for child abuse and any radiologist who missed this diagnosis would be subject to disciplinary action from his peers and state licensing board. SEE: http://radiographics.rsnajnls.org/cgi/content/full/23/4/811

It is my opinion that the most likely reason for these bone scan findings in March of 1991 is that someone either was physically abusing Terri or they dropped/mishandled her severely.

Update: Was unable to elucidate this earlier, but I think CodeBlue's diagnosis raises a logical question, given Michael's odd behavior. What if he doesn't want Terri to die because he thinks she's brain dead? What if he wants her dead because he's afraid of what she might say if she recovers?

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Why do people feel obliged to slander Michael Schiavo? Over lots of court hours, no evidence of abuse has emerged, and while no one is pro-starvation, lots of people are in favor of letting Ms. Schiavo make her own choice, and that's what Mr. Schiavo is carrying out.

87% of the public would want the tube pulled if they were in Ms. Schiavo's position. 87% oppose Noonan.

Posted by: Josh at March 22, 2005 12:19 PM

There are many possible explanations for findings of fracture, including some that might have happened after she was admitted to the hospital. Did the person reviewing the x-rays know about her bulimia?

Posted by: Kai Jones at March 22, 2005 12:49 PM

Kai,

Read my post.

This bone scan was done a year after Terri's cardiac arrest/ anoxic event and hospital admission.

It is not the fractures that is telling in this case it is the clustering of unusual fracture locations (back ribs, vertebral body and just above the knee) that is the tip-off for the experienced radiologist.

A superior-surface vertebral body compression fracture such as Terri had (of the first lumbar vertebral body) is caused by an AXIAL load which means pressure on the spinal column from above. Terri was bedridden. How can you postulate a mechanism?

Fractures of the ribs where they join your spine in your back (reach around and feel the hump next to the depression of your midline spine in your back) are from a DIRECT BLOW (like when you are DROPPED on your back).

Bleeding under the periosteum (the top layer of "skin" on your bone itself) can be induced by grabbing a leg below the knee and PULLING or TWISTING.

How does that add up in YOUR mind when you are dealing with a bedridden, nonresponsive patient??????

Posted by: CodeBlueBlogMD at March 22, 2005 03:04 PM

Terri has thalamic implants that are there to keep her from spasming--could that explain some of the issues raised by the bone scan?

Also, the fractures, were this a child, would NOT be "ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY DIAGNOSTIC" for child abuse. They would be indicative of POSSIBLE child abuse. There is a big difference there. Your language is uneccessarily alarmist and imputatively accusatory.

Posted by: jack at March 22, 2005 04:55 PM

Um, regarding the slander allegations. I'm only an attorney, so I really don't know as much about this as you do, Josh, and I probably know less about evidence too, but I'd offer an uninformed opinion that evidence of abuse or insurance policies predicated on Mrs. Schiavo's death are highly relevant when evaluating the truth of Mr. Schiavo's claims construing Mrs. Schiavo's desire to not live if she was in a vegetative state. Like I said, I probably know a lot less about this than you do, but I wouldn't consider discussion of his motivations slanderous, or irrelevant.

Posted by: Blackavar at March 23, 2005 12:48 PM

It seems to me that Michael Schiavo amd George Felos think they got away with the perfect murder. Who knows for sure, if it was Terr's wish to die. Only herself (and she could not speak for herself) her adulterous husband and one of his family members? Could he be lying, because he wants to marry his mistress? Could his mistress be putting pressure on him. He gave up his rights as her husband when he committed adultery. I believe that is a commandment.
It's plain as can be. MICHAEL WANTED TERRI DEAD. HE WAS AFRAID IF SHE EVER SPOKE AGAIN, SHE WOULD TELL THE TRUTH OF WHAT HAPPENED-SHE KNEW HIS SECRET. THE ONLY THING IS, SOMEONE KNOWS HIS SECRET.
TO TOU MICHAEL: THE ALL SEEING, ALL KNOWING GOD WILL BE YOUR FINAL JUDGE. YOU MAY HAVE BEEN TERRI'S. BUT ONE DAY YOU WILL STAND BEFORE THE PERFECT JUDGE. WHAT WILL YOU SAY THEN?

Posted by: Jody Johnson at March 31, 2005 06:10 PM

It seems to me that Michael Schiavo amd George Felos think they got away with the perfect murder. Who knows for sure, if it was Terr's wish to die. Only herself (and she could not speak for herself) her adulterous husband and one of his family members? Could he be lying, because he wants to marry his mistress? Could his mistress be putting pressure on him. He gave up his rights as her husband when he committed adultery. I believe that is a commandment.
It's plain as can be. MICHAEL WANTED TERRI DEAD. HE WAS AFRAID IF SHE EVER SPOKE AGAIN, SHE WOULD TELL THE TRUTH OF WHAT HAPPENED-SHE KNEW HIS SECRET. THE ONLY THING IS, SOMEONE KNOWS HIS SECRET.
TO TOU MICHAEL: THE ALL SEEING, ALL KNOWING GOD WILL BE YOUR FINAL JUDGE. YOU MAY HAVE BEEN TERRI'S. BUT ONE DAY YOU WILL STAND BEFORE THE PERFECT JUDGE. WHAT WILL YOU SAY THEN?

Posted by: Jody Johnson at March 31, 2005 06:10 PM

Wow, Jody Johnson. I join you giving credit to Michael Schiavo for convincing The hospital first into removing the tube, all these courts into keeping the tubes removed, including the Supreme Court who did not take up the case.
Were these courts out to get Terri too?
Why did not Terri's parents accuse the husband formally of getting Terri into that vegetative state?
No wonder America is pro-removing the tube. The arguments against it are weak and ridiculous.

Posted by: Jack at April 2, 2005 10:45 PM
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