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June 11, 2004

Andy Capp Meets Kudzu

First the New York Times sullied its reputation by engaging in plagiarism, then the Boston Globe tarnishes its own by printing fake Iraqi torture photos.

But at least the comics page is free from controversy, right? We can always trust the cartoonists to deliver up fresh new material to us every day.

Right? Right?

Of course not.

Take a look at this Andy Capp strip, first published around 1970 by the British cartoonist Reg Smythe. I found it in a 1971 edition of Andy Capp, The One And Only.


Copyright Reg Smythe

Now look at today's Kudzu, by NC's own Doug Marlette, known far and wide for his excellent take on What Would Mohammed Drive?


Copyright Doug Marlette and Tribune Media Services

Obviously, the joke's the same. I don't think Marlette conciously ripped off Smythe, though I suppose it's possible he'd seen the strip above at some time. He is a cartoonist--presumably they a familiar with other works in the field, and Smythe's strip did enjoy a fairly long period of popularity in the 60s and 70s.

No idea whether a case could be made on whether or not Marlette owes royalties to the Smythe estate for using the same joke, though I doubt it. Cartoonists use slightly altered versions of the same joke all the time. It's also possible that the strip was meant as a Smythe tribute of some sort--the 8th anniversary of Reg's death is only two days away.

Andy Capp paperbacks were among the first books I ever read. Obviously, they made an impression on me. There's little I enjoy more than hoisting a pint, though the rugby, darts and wife-beating failed to make similar impressions.

Frankly, I think the whole thing says a lot more about me than it does Marlette. What kind of pitiful geek not only recognizes the re-use of a 30-plus year old comic strip trope, but recalls the original strip it appeared in, and on top of that spends the next couple of hours pawing through 26 Andy Capp paperbacks in search of it?

The same kind as one who's worried by the lack of readily available Andy Capp paperback covers on the Internet, and is seriously considering scanning them in at twenty of one in the morning, apparently.*

If you know, leave a note for the wife. She can't understand why a man who doesn't know where his car keys are from day to day can recall in detail a comic strip he last read over 25 years ago.

* I'll update if I decide to do that. ( I did. ) I'll also write Marlette and ask him about the similarities. Hopefully I won't get the same response Little Tiny Lies did when he asked Randy Bish a similar question.

Postscript: Jay of Wizbang thinks both artists are drawing from an even older source--Lincoln. I think he's right. Though there are wide variations on what was actually said, and I can find none that actually specify a date for the quote, many sources attribute a similar story to the 16th president. Here's one that at least appears to be accurate.

Stephen Douglas called Lincoln "two-faced." Lincoln responded: "I leave it to my audience. If I had another face, do you think I would wear this one?"

Posted by Bigwig at June 11, 2004 12:46 AM | TrackBack
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I first heard the joke as an Abraham Lincoln story. A woman accused him of being two-faced. Abe allegedly responded, "Madam, if I had two faces, do you think I'd chose to wear this one?"

I think that if it's a Lincoln joke, it's fallen into public domain by now and fair game for anyone to use. Nice catch, though.

J.

Posted by: Jay Tea at June 11, 2004 05:42 AM

I hear Lincoln got it from Janus

Posted by: Stephen at June 11, 2004 06:01 PM

Thanks for the acknowledgement, Bigwig.

Before Kevin lost most of his judgment and did me the honor of making me a guest poster over at Wizbang!, I'd thought about applying for membership in the Warren. I'd even picked out my name. ("Cowslip" seemed to fit me well, but honesty compels me to admit I'm more of a "Silverweed" type.)

J.


Posted by: Jay Tea at June 11, 2004 09:58 PM
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