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February 16, 2004

Do Duc Duyen's Day

What Do Duc Duyen's day has been like for the last seven years.

Wake up.
Misery.
Misery.
Misery.
Touch.
Misery.
Misery.
Misery.
Misery.
Food.
Misery.
Misery.
Misery.
Misery.
Misery.
Misery.
Sleep.

Repeat until death.

His doctors blame his condition on the dioxin in Agent Orange, the effects of which were last studied by the EPA in 1994. The results of that study were mixed at best, with most questions arising over the applicability of animal test results to humans.

For instance, in Duc's case, his birth defects are thought to have been a result of his father's exposure to Agent Orange 20 years after it was last sprayed. Dioxin has been shown to affect the sex organs of male rats, but only at strong enough levels that it also kills them.

....TCDD [ed. Tetrachlorodibenzo-p-dioxin] exposure of the adult male rodent causes reduced testis and accessory sex organ weights, abnormal testis structure, decreased spermatogenesis, reduced fertility, decreased testicular testosterone synthesis, reduced plasma androgen concentrations, and altered regulation of pituitary LH secretion. However, in laboratory animal studies, these effects are detectable only at TCDD exposure levels that are overtly toxic to the animal.

Another, more recent study states that ...long-term observations in workers exposed to TCDD revealed that organs other than the skin were only marginally affected or not affected in association with TCDD exposure, so the position of the United States, as cold as it seems, is essentially correct. There's not enough evidence to prove that Duc's pitiful deformities are due to dioxin.

Research into dioxin exposure is ongoing, but there may never be an acceptable answer as to what caused Duc's birth defects. Current research does not support the theory that dioxin caused his condition, yet it will almost certainly never be possible to prove that the chemical isn't responsible. You can't prove a negative.

Notes: Duc's dad has also fathered two healthy sisters, not that that rules out the possibility of mutagenic damage to his sperm.

v A baby with two heads in Quang Tri

An eyeless, two-headed baby was born on April 22 at An Mo Village, Trieu
Long Commune, Trieu Phong District, Quang Tri Province. The parents of
the baby, named Do Duc Duyen, are Mr. Do Duc (30 years old) and Mrs. Ho
Thi Huong (32).

The couple already have two normal healthy girls. Duyen insists on
sucking milk all night long. The family is coping with other
difficulties as well; they are living in a makeshift house in the
village after their old solid house was washed away by floods.

It's no wonder Duc suckled all night long--it was his only form of input from the world outside his skull. I've pasted the whole story, as I only found it in one place--the personal site of a graduated graduate student, so it's very susceptible to link rot.

The hospital where Duc lives is run by the Vietnamese Red Cross, and they accept donations--theoretically one could lessen Duc's burden somewhat by giving a dollar or two. The reduction of his misery shouldn't rely on an accurate judgement as to it's proximate cause. Anyone suffering from an understandable reluctance to give money to an organization in a stilll communist country should known that in the eyes of the American Red Cross at least, the VNRC is ok.

Posted by Bigwig at February 16, 2004 04:02 PM | TrackBack
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Comments

Omigosh, that is the saddest thing I've ever read. So disturbing to think that our actions over 30 years ago are still affecting these innocent children.

Posted by: lotus at February 18, 2004 12:21 AM

Lotus: Except half the point here is that it is pretty likely that it's not "our actions 30 years ago" that are the likely cause of this.

While the research continues to not show that the dioxin in question has any likelihood of causing birth defects (doubly especially given the low levels of exposure likely given the timeframe involved), I must submit that I am the tiniest bit suspicious of the eagerness that the People's Republic of Vietnam has to blame its woes on the United States.

Birth defects happen without any exposure to Agent Orange or other dioxins, especially in "dirty" industrialising nations like Vietnam. If the Vietnamese doctors can pin such defects on dioxins, they should share their methodology and data with the rest of us, and explain why Westerners exposed to the same chemicals are not suffering the same way.

Bloody awful thing, though, no matter the cause. Best not to "cheapen" godawful suffering by throwing around blame for political purposes sans evidence, no?

Posted by: Sigivald at February 19, 2004 06:16 PM
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